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MCS · Sep 05, 2005, 12:02 PM // 12:02

I'm sad to say that GW will never be able to compare to d2. It isn't even on the same level as far as PvP goes. Even the PvE, in my opinion, was better although I can see why everyone hates PvE in d2.

Anyway time for some questions. I haven't played in a while so here goes.

Whats the main currency on ladder?
Are there many blatant hacks like scrolling or godforbid that rejuv pot dupe hack? (I don't care about maphack it makes no difference to me)
What is a good place to MF (meph still?)
Is MFing still going to make me cry?
Did Blizzard try to be newbs and make rushing hard again? If so how?
Do you want to give me any ladder currency so I can get going again?

I hope duels are the same 11 yearold newbs screaming and cussing and insulting my mother then accusing me of hacking because they got owned.

Pr1nc355SaRa · Sep 05, 2005, 12:28 PM // 12:28

i got banned for a month for using maphack... haven't played since. *still banned now, SP and IP are boring*

as long as there are children there will always be the 11-16 year old n00bs screaming and cussing people's moms, acusing people of hacking them etc... just because they got 'owned' lol. don't you just love it?

Thanas · Sep 05, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Only ever played PvE in D2. Absoulutely loved that game. My character BL4D3 (Barb) was able to go Bear and tank very effectively. D2 has to be one of my favourite RPG's. Also had a fantastic necro character with an iron Golem and curse for company.

Aniewiel · Sep 05, 2005, 12:57 PM // 12:57

The items du jour are the keys to open the new areas. You have to have 9 keys: 3 for each of the super-bosses. Duriel, Hephasto and the new boss, erm...I forget her name but she's Andariel's big sister spawn individually when you transmute the three keys you get from The Countess (Black Marsh), the Summoner (Arcane Sanctuary) and Nihlathak (Halls of Vaught). Problem is that the three who have the keys only drop them 1/38th of the time and it takes forever...and you need NINE (3 for each of the uber-bosses).

Each uber boss will drop a body part. Once you have those three, you transmute them and a portal opens to Hell Tristram where Diablo, Hephasto and Izual (MUCH tougher than their original incarnations) are there TOGETHER.

I got three keys and transmuted, got Duriel and immediately got snuffed. The pain is that if you die or leave the game, so goes the portal and you have to start again collecting keys. 9 keys is prohibitive when they're only dropped 1/38th of the time.

Witchblade · Sep 05, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Yep...thats supposed to be the big news in 1.11 ...the real news is mass bans of accounts cauz of 3rd party progs

So ...less bots and dupes atm

A new reset etc..always the same stuff...

So atm, i m still playing, only one lad char cauz of friends still on d2 ..all of my main chars are NL now and got almost everything i need to make tons of chars

No cheats or bots ofc

Aniewiel · Sep 05, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

LOL yeah. Actually I find it sort of refreshing that BNet continues to ban accounts even in such an "old" game.

Tigris Of Gaul · Sep 05, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

The PvP in DII will never compare to Guild Wars PvP.

Aniewiel · Sep 05, 2005, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Tigris Of Gaul

The PvP in DII will never compare to Guild Wars PvP.

Nope, it sure won't but it was NEVER intended to be a PvP game. That was just an addition after the unfortunate PK stuff that popped up in D1. The devs just shrugged their shoulders and gave players the option to do it if they wanted...and protected those who -didn't- from being subjected to it if that wasn't their thing.

MCS · Sep 05, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Tigris Of Gaul

The PvP in DII will never compare to Guild Wars PvP.

You owe me a new keyboard because I have just thrown up on mine.

The PvP in DII will never compare to the Guild Wars PvP because Guild Wars PvP isn't even in it's league.

Guildwars is all strategy there is such little skill involved it's sickening. I like the GW PvP because sometimes I want strategy but not always.

D2 is all about planning your char, getting items, then just plain skill. When you have to dodge and aim skills it's far more exciting.

sino-soviet · Sep 05, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCS

You owe me a new keyboard because I have just thrown up on mine.

The PvP in DII will never compare to the Guild Wars PvP because Guild Wars PvP isn't even in it's league.

Guildwars is all strategy there is such little skill involved it's sickening. I like the GW PvP because sometimes I want strategy but not always.

D2 is all about planning your char, getting items, then just plain skill. When you have to dodge and aim skills it's far more exciting.

Planning characters in Diablo 2 isn't very difficult....the best pvp builds are fairly cliche. At least they were in 1.09 when I was playing. Orb/TS sorcs, guided arrow/dodge/avoid zons, and WW barbs.

Item hunting doesn't take skill, and its usually the items which determine the outcome of a duel. And lets not forget the level being a big factor as well.

As for aiming, I'd agree that it is more exciting, but skill required? You click in the direction you want your character to shoot or strike in. I've never seen people lose because they couldn't aim....dodging I guess requires a bit of skill, but most of the dodging you'd have to do requires you to simply run in a direction.

I'd agree with excitement factor, but not with skill involved.

MCS · Sep 05, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

09 was uneventful. Pre hex it was orb sorcs with maxed out rogue henchies slaughtering anything that didn't absorb in 1 hit with orb and slaughtering anything that did absorb in 2 hits with the rogue.

Post hex it was whichever javazon had more hexs won.

However we're not in 09. 1.10 and 1.11 have both changed a lot.

The new rune words and the lack of hacked items (for the most part) has changed dueling.

For example everyone who isn't a sorc uses Enigma because it lets you teleport. Aiming in someone's direction isn't going to hit anything. Aiming where they are going is.

Dodging also requires skill but there is also decision making in the middle of the fight.

Like if some bone nec has 20 bone spirits after you that WILL kill you instantly if they hit you then you can either run away and wait for them to blow up on their own or you can tele onto the necro and try to kill him before they catch up.

Honestly after a month of play if you know what you're doing you've got the same items as everyone else. Theres might be perfect like having a skill GC with 40 life while yours only has 30. Oh no they have 100 more life than you assuming they have 10 of them.

Anyway off to go baal more.

Batou of Nine · Sep 05, 2005, 06:19 PM // 18:19

LMAO!!

My account was hacked 3 years ago. I had played religiously for 3 yrs. So of course this upset me enough to stop all-together. I was one of the rare few who had NEVER bought ebay items, NEVER used 3rd party programs, or tried to attain hacked items.

So of course since i knew what i was doing, i had uber items, and had builds that most didnt use, and still raped in PvP. I always made builds that no one had tried, or had shurgged off as useless. Such as the Concentrate Barb, fun fun, and rare.

so i think i ended in 1.10 ? i forget, sounds like they changed a lot since my time, are SoJs still currency? How affected is the economy since the latest patches/changes? Cause i was thnking of getting back into it, at a leisure pace, unlike before...

anywhoo, glad to see that community is still alive and active. I always enjoyed the trade community, i used the official site's trade forum...great fun. chow

MCS · Sep 05, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Ladder makes a lot change but you didn't do shit in PvP if you played when there was hexs.

SoJs are still kinda currency on ladder but mostally it's runes Pul Um Ist then high runes are mostally the ones used.

In 09 before all the hacks came I played a hammerdin. No 1 hit KOs then

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Tigris Of Gaul · Sep 05, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCS

You owe me a new keyboard because I have just thrown up on mine.

The PvP in DII will never compare to the Guild Wars PvP because Guild Wars PvP isn't even in it's league.

Guildwars is all strategy there is such little skill involved it's sickening. I like the GW PvP because sometimes I want strategy but not always.

D2 is all about planning your char, getting items, then just plain skill. When you have to dodge and aim skills it's far more exciting.

I'd say there's plenty of skill involved in Guild Wars. Give two teams the same build, and the better team wins. There are some teams that use such field positioning to utterly destroy you, and anyone trying to mimic them are going to fail miserably. Diablo II was based on items first and foremost, item skills were cookie cutter, and there were builds that ruled without reason. Oh yeah, playing against 75% of the population who Maphack, AutoAim, etc. was a ton of fun too. /sarcasm

phasola · Sep 05, 2005, 07:05 PM // 19:05

my ban expires in 4 days

and GW > D2

Ultimate_Gaara · Sep 05, 2005, 07:23 PM // 19:23

I play D2 every day (more than i play GW) i finaly did uber tristam the other day.... wow, that is all i can say. The did not lie when they said "Enough fire power to make you cry."

The one reason i like GW more than D2 is balance, everyone in D2 runs right for the best runewords they can find leaving every other rare,unique, and set a laughing stock... big error im blizzards part

Worst part is how immature everyone is and how they can't stand a loss.. in GW people call you a noob, in D2 they call you a noob and get their lvl 90 into the low lvl dueling game and kill everyone and brag about being godly.. of course until a lvl 40 come in and kills them that is

I was actualy just off to play this right after i posted a few times

. However i really miss my map hack and super hacked barb (who is now obsolete).. heh +65 all skills sword + other major hacked stuff

However aside from all the negatives the game is great, i use my aulders durid to help people in normal and nightmare so its pretty fun, sadly due to peoples love affair with runewords blizzard has mad hell near impossible for a legit player...

MCS · Sep 05, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Ultimate just try LLD dueling and Ladder.

9 18 30 42 are most common LLD levels.

Quote:

I'd say there's plenty of skill involved in Guild Wars. Give two teams the same build, and the better team wins. There are some teams that use such field positioning to utterly destroy you, and anyone trying to mimic them are going to fail miserably. Diablo II was based on items first and foremost, item skills were cookie cutter, and there were builds that ruled without reason. Oh yeah, playing against 75% of the population who Maphack, AutoAim, etc. was a ton of fun too. /sarcasm

Obviously a more skilled team will win although positioning is strategy healing faster and using skills at better times would be more skill based.

D2 is item based but so is GW. GW just allows everyone to have the same items. D2 allows this too it only takes mildly more work. There are a lot of different builds that are used I'd say 15+commonly used and effective builds.

V/T
FoH
Smiter
Light Sorc
Fire Sorc
Cold Sorc
WW barb
Zerker/Conc barb
Trapsin
WW sin
kicksin
Wind Druid
Bowazon
Javazon
Bone Necro

This is assuming that all these are the same many mix up like fire light sorc or ww/trapsin.

All these are used all these are effective.

Maphack honestly makes no real difference in PvP. Oh no they can see you wait they already could! Auto Aim is just to compensate for lack of skill these people are easily killed because they don't know what the hell is going on.

wolfy3455 · Sep 05, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

In D2, pvp was more fast paced. In clan matches, you really don't plan your build besides just having at least one trapper, and one BvC barb. In higher echelon pvp where pretty much everyone just payed someone to level a char to 90-95 and everyone has pretty much the best items, its completely skill dependant, which makes it fun. Private games rock for D2 pvp, pubby pvp is just boring. Anyone that thinks aim is pointless has never played SvS at the 200% FCR bp (wiz gloves ftw). AA is incredibly obvious although newbs generally can't tell the difference between AA and name lock (oh noes, that druid must be using AA because he teled on me from two screens away, I wonder why he was holding in tornado in my general direction the whole time?).

For me, the games are pretty much a tie in Pvp. Guild wars requires more overall intelligence (when your not copying a popular build), while d2 requires more skill and time played (or connections from when you played before).

EDIT: and from what I've heard from my friends that play D2, CS zons are semi-dominant right now because of the farcast glitch. So theres usually at least one of them on a clan team.

Scaper-X · Sep 05, 2005, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I'm on Diablo 2 LOD as *Scaper-X

As for when I'm on, that's uncertain.
-- Scaper-X

Aniewiel · Sep 05, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

I love my zon...*sighs* I'll probably never get to 99 because I only dust her off every couple months but she's got some great stuff...most found in the original no-patch version of LoD:

The crowning glory is the dual leech amulet. I have never seen one before or since. Good prismatic rings too.

The only thing I wish was that you could "unsocket" things. I'd take out the two "ral" runes and put in something else. I haven't found such good stuff in a long time. Like someone else said, I've never bought anything for her...all found. But she's in good shape and can take on anything....well, any monster since I don't PvP.

Sorry the pic's fuzzy but I wanted to make it small enough to fit on a page without side scrolling.